Comments on: Hey Kids, Wanna Play Security Checkpoint: The Terrifying Marketing Of Police State Normalacy To Children http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/ UrGently Fierce Feminism In Perilous Times Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:02:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Terror Toys « Liberation in the Classroom http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-183716 Terror Toys « Liberation in the Classroom Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:29:28 +0000 http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/#comment-183716 [...] As Lucinda Marshall says over on Feminist Peace Network in a blog post on these toys: As difficult as it sometimes seemed to raise sons during the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Power Ranger years, clearly teaching children the difference between right and wrong has  become far more challenging as the toys and games pitched at them become blatant police state propaganda. [...] [...] As Lucinda Marshall says over on Feminist Peace Network in a blog post on these toys: As difficult as it sometimes seemed to raise sons during the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Power Ranger years, clearly teaching children the difference between right and wrong has  become far more challenging as the toys and games pitched at them become blatant police state propaganda. [...]

]]> By: Pat Pelletier http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-181532 Pat Pelletier Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:55:59 +0000 http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/#comment-181532 To Stephen: Ideologically, I agree with you. Liberty is paramount (individual responsibility goes along with this, but that topic and the interplay of the two is a different post). Yet society does need to have governance. I am glad that you brought up the founding documents. They are some of my favorite writings, and they have served this country admirably. As you know, the fourth amendment protects us from unreasonable search and seizures. As such, that amendment is the most pertinent to this discussion. Ideally, there would be no need for searches of any type, and the concept of security measures would be a non-starter. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. Let me make clear in advance: liberty comes first, security second. Nevertheless, there is an undeniable interplay between the two. Throughout history, we move along this liberty-security continuum. Right now, we just so happen to have more security measures than previously. Preventing society from moving too much towards the security side (i.e. police state) is our Constitution. As I asserted in my first comment, I do not feel that the fourth amendment was violated. The TSA’s procedure in this instance would not constitute an unreasonable search. It is not as if the official perused through the personal documents or communications of the author. The scanning procedure is non-invasive, and does not violate the reasonable expectation of privacy that our Courts have outlined (a quick aside: the idea of privacy is not explicit anywhere in the Constitution; it is derived by our Court from various wording throughout the document). The dangers the search aims at preventing make it reasonable; the non-invasive nature of it makes it legal. To Stephen:

Ideologically, I agree with you. Liberty is paramount (individual responsibility goes along with this, but that topic and the interplay of the two is a different post). Yet society does need to have governance.

I am glad that you brought up the founding documents. They are some of my favorite writings, and they have served this country admirably. As you know, the fourth amendment protects us from unreasonable search and seizures. As such, that amendment is the most pertinent to this discussion.

Ideally, there would be no need for searches of any type, and the concept of security measures would be a non-starter. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. Let me make clear in advance: liberty comes first, security second. Nevertheless, there is an undeniable interplay between the two. Throughout history, we move along this liberty-security continuum. Right now, we just so happen to have more security measures than previously. Preventing society from moving too much towards the security side (i.e. police state) is our Constitution.

As I asserted in my first comment, I do not feel that the fourth amendment was violated. The TSA’s procedure in this instance would not constitute an unreasonable search. It is not as if the official perused through the personal documents or communications of the author. The scanning procedure is non-invasive, and does not violate the reasonable expectation of privacy that our Courts have outlined (a quick aside: the idea of privacy is not explicit anywhere in the Constitution; it is derived by our Court from various wording throughout the document). The dangers the search aims at preventing make it reasonable; the non-invasive nature of it makes it legal.

]]> By: P R O P A G A N D A W E R K S http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-181251 P R O P A G A N D A W E R K S Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:59:13 +0000 http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/#comment-181251 History has proven that never has a dictatorship been stopped. Society uses neither its size, nor its arms to avert tyrranny. So welcome the prison camps in open arms, for we've done nothing to stop them. http://propagandawerks.blogspot.com History has proven that never has a dictatorship been stopped. Society uses neither its size, nor its arms to avert tyrranny. So welcome the prison camps in open arms, for we’ve done nothing to stop them.

http://propagandawerks.blogspot.com

]]> By: Hey Kids, Wanna Play Security Checkpoint: The Terrifying Marketing Of Police State Normalacy To Children « Big Bear Observation Post http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-181059 Hey Kids, Wanna Play Security Checkpoint: The Terrifying Marketing Of Police State Normalacy To Children « Big Bear Observation Post Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:36:59 +0000 http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/#comment-181059 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Tensegrities » Blog Archive » When it becomes a toy… http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-180597 Tensegrities » Blog Archive » When it becomes a toy… Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:05:42 +0000 http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2009/02/09/hey-kids-wanna-play-security-checkpoint-the-terrifying-marketing-police-state-normalacy-to-children/#comment-180597 [...] Here’s a piercing reflection on the ways in which we are normalizing certain state security functions — to the extent that you can now purchase little toy Playmobil TSA stations for your child’s airport! [...] [...] Here’s a piercing reflection on the ways in which we are normalizing certain state security functions — to the extent that you can now purchase little toy Playmobil TSA stations for your child’s airport! [...]

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